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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:35 PMyet ANOTHER reason why I'm boycotting chinese products. They have such ill-regard towards life of any kind, it makes me sick. people.tribe.net/mspurity/...96d96801d7 -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 3:49 PMHere is what I posted to your blog:
"And this is the central problem for animal welfare in China: its ruling elite is brutally repressive and cares little for animals.
Centuries of rule by tyrannical emperors and bloody dictators have all but eradicated the Buddhist and Confucian respect for life and nature."
Where there is no respect for one's other human beings and rampant oppression, other animals will be even less fortunate--it's like the dynamics of domestic abuse. Say dad takes it out on mom and the kids, mom takes it out on the kids, the kids take it out on the pets.
It also serves a militaristic state to be teaching the kids lack of empathy for life.
This isn't about Chinese culture as much as what China has sunk to after years of brutal control. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 5:30 PMI'm of the "personal responsibility" camp. Regardless of what their government is like, they have the ability to *choose* not to torture and kill animals and they have the ability to *choose* not to enjoy the brutality towards animals. Their government doesn't force them to do these things like it forces them to do so many other things. This is what they choose to do. They need to take responsibility for that rather than blame some other entity, whether it's another person or a government.
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 5:45 PMWell I wouldn't claim that those who visit the "entertainment" you blog about are not responsible--at least the adults certainly. They certainly can afford the entertainment and are not of the poor and uneducated class, they have some privelege within China. I just want to draw a careful distinction between what is going on and Chinese/Asian culture(s). You certainly don't see similar barbarities in Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Unfortunately I have seen complaints of what goes on in China, whether it's animals or poorly made and toxic products, turn into veiled if not out-right racism or at least stereotypes of Asians and Chinese in particular. (examples can be found on Itchmo forums by those posting to articles, the forum owner is Chinese American himself--if the mods didn't delete them). It was severely rampant during the toxic pet foods incidents.
I am not accusing you personally at all of racism. Let's just say I am being preemptive...(to others who might think such things in relation to entire people/s and their culture/s, as the Chinese within the nation of China are certainly not all homogenous or even the same culturally). -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:34 PMWell, whatever... it still absolutely sucks that this is happening. I don't think it is racist to say WTF is going on over there? There are plenty of animal rights people in China, they know what is going on and they are doing their best to stop this, so I dont believe its a cultural thing.
I say its a short sighted over zealous government thing. ( know any other governments like that in the world? I could think of a few..)
Hope they know what to do about the upcoming vermin population explosion coming their way real soon. And if it were to happen before the Olympics...
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:52 PM<I don't think it is racist to say WTF is going on over there?>
It's certainly not.
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:11 PM<Well I wouldn't claim that those who visit the "entertainment" you blog about are not responsible--at least the adults certainly. They certainly can afford the entertainment and are not of the poor and uneducated class, they have some privelege within China.>
Actually my remark about personal responsibility wasn't specific to the "entertainment" but also to the brutal killing of cats and dogs in the news recently.
<I am not accusing you personally at all of racism. Let's just say I am being preemptive...(to others who might think such things in relation to entire people/s and their culture/s, as the Chinese within the nation of China are certainly not all homogenous or even the same culturally).>
No reason to be preemptive. =P
I'll admit that on the blog I said I'd never support that culture, and now that I reread it I realize how you might think I was being racist. I apologize for that since how you read it isn't really what I meant. Let me see if I can try and explain this without becoming too convoluted. It should have been more along the lines that I would never support a country that not only allows that sort of abuse, but actually promotes it to the point where there are places where people can legally "enjoy" these atrocities. When the country promotes these activities it creates it's own "culture" of people that pass this disregard for life down to their children. This doesn't mean that everyone that is a certain race is part of this culture. Kind of similar to the dog-fighting culture which includes people of all races, but is a culture in and of itself.
Boycotting Chinese products is my way of telling China (the government) that as a consumer I will not stand for what they do, whether its towards animals or humans. If the UK did similar things, I'd boycott their products too. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:27 PMAs to the people (including pregnant women who go in for exams) believing the government lies about the cats carrying horrible disease and that is why they need getting rid of...
...Well, many of the citizens in China born since Tiananmen don't even know it happened. They have no open internet or access to news not okayed by the government leaders. They are effectively brainwashed or, if not, they are terrorized into obedience and silence seeing how dissidents are treated.
Add to that an outrageous financial cost now to keep a cat so people feel pressured to give up there pets--this is a country where you lose your goverment benefits if you have more than 1 child and even if you want to have more than one you can be pressured or forced into having an abortion. It is hard to talk about personal responsibility for the average person or even more the impoverished in a nation where there is so little freedom and such an oppressive government.
Actually you never came to mind as being racist. One person who commented on your blog was leaning that way and I definitely saw it on some the comments on the UK news articles.
I have no problem with your decision to boycott Chinese products although I don't know how realistic it is since there is so much hidden Chinese national product in anything we may purchase. Even our prescription meds are being made there. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:28 PM"give up there pets"
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:44 PMI am going to add something unpopular to this conversation since I am seeing the sources for these stories being the same paper:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail
Please do read the wiki on this piece of media--does Faux News come to mind?
How do we know these stories are entirely true?
I am not trying to be apologetic just questioning whether there could be a motive in making things up. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:56 PMFaux News is similar because....? They're both right wing? The right wing in the UK isn't the same as the right wing here in the states. That said, my fiance used to work for a large newspaper company for 10 years. EVERY paper out there regardless of whether it's left or right, sensationalizes things. Something we all have to keep in mind. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:59 PMWell if you read the wiki you will see that the Daily Mail has a fairly infamous history. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:00 PMAgain I am not saying it's not true or not even a kernel of truth that has since been embellished, but I would like to see a more legit source mentioning all this... -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:46 PMThe WSPA on the cat cullings: www.wspa-usa.org/pages/231...t_cull.cfm
on the dog cullings: www.wspa-usa.org/pages/167...update.cfm
A photo from the South China Morning Post: www.aapn.org/photo%20of%...ng%20cow.pdf
I'm tired, it's getting late. I'll keep looking tomorrow.
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 4:08 PMNothing to do with cats or dogs or goats or tigers but very outrageous:
www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30...eparin.html -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 4:56 PMDisgusting. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 7:09 PMI am shaving off my eye brows -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 10:05 PMrandom -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:02 AM?what is my denseness missing? :-P
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:05 PMWell, Wiki isn't the bastion of reliability either...just sayin'.
But no, I get ya. I'll see if I can find another article from somewhere else. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:09 PMI have been trying on the cat roundup one--I see it being cited on activist and social cause websites but no news source outside of the Daily Mail and most other mentions directly using the DM.
It was just something all of a sudden jumped into my consciousness as I remembered that this was a rather tabloid news source and I thought to double-check it. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:33 PMOk I gave up on the cat roundup one.
I googled the name of the wildlife park in China first mentioned in the article on your blog which led to a wiki and I give you the cached version:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:NFtrIzH14vwJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo+Badaltearing+Safari+Park&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
Unfortunately the part that mentions this live feeding sources back to DM.
In the list of other sources on the wiki on zoos I found this one:
abcnews.go.com/International/Story
A far more legit source to me(not that any news can be trusted these days). ;)
Now I am going to read some of the comment debate.
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:04 PMAre you talking about that last comment on my blog?...yeah, I thought it was bad too. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:06 PMYeah, that one. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:47 PMI don't even know who that person is, just some random that kept asking me to be their friend. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:05 PMLOL well hehe one of my initial thoughts about her (yes I shouldn't be discussing this here) is how can she talk like she talks an actually be the required 18 for Tribe membership?
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 3:53 PMUgh - can we just Boycott them all together?? Basically NO Human RIghts - and now this. Just Shameful. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 8:48 AMI'm nauseous -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:01 AMTry checking the history of different things done in the name of the Olympics. Here in the US, when the Olympics were being held in Atlanta, the city had a campaign to clear the streets of all visible signs of homeless people as they felt it would show the US in a bad light. -
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Re: Beijing killing cats for the Olympics
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:38 AMReasons to boycott the chineses olympics
The cat story kills me This alone stands out as a crime against our beloved felines. All you have to do is look into an there eyes to understand that they dont deserve this.
Over fishing and a almost complete destruction of animals within the chinese borders. Just look for articles on the Baiji dolphin which is gone from the Yangtzee river. Hong kong is terrible for its over fishing
What they are doing to the people in Tibet. Cmon people these are human beings.
The displacement of millions of people over the the three gorge dam. And the uncaring attitude towards there demise.
Thes are just a few. And I know that many countries do wrong, I mean look at ours But it doesnt give china the right to hold an olympic event which is suppose to support national awareness
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