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My partner just moved from an apartment to house. Yogi, our love cat, is an indoor cat. He's almost two, neutered and has his claws. Since moving into the house he is dying to get outside. I think he should be allowed to. However, there are lots of cats around and the house is on a bike lane/residential street. My partner doesn't want him to go outdoors, but already he's had to go great lengths to keep him inside. What to do?
winterbamboo
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Re: indoor to outdoor?
Sun, June 22, 2008 - 7:23 PMKeep him inside. It's healthier and safer for him, no matter how much he wants to go out. The average lifespan of an indoor only cat is 16-18 years. The average lifespan of an outdoor cat is less than 3 years. Not to mention outdoor cats require a lot more vet visits because of injury, illness, parasites, etc. -
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Sun, June 22, 2008 - 8:01 PMI think the "average lifespan of an outdoor kitty being less than 3 years" must apply to outdoor only/feral kitties.
My childhood cat was indoor/outdoor and lived over 11 years. My cats moved here from NYC and have been indoor/outdoor for close to 4 years now. As long as they are up to date on all their shots and you use a flea medication, plus bring them in at night, I think it's worth the risk.
However, if your street is busy and the traffic goes fast than I would think twice. My street ends at a T and they don't ever go as far as the top of the T because that is a busy street. The street in front of my house has very little traffic and it is slow because there is a stop sign.
The cats mostly stay in the backyard or the empty lot next door. They will always come in when I call them, day or night.
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Sun, June 22, 2008 - 8:21 PMThe other thing to be aware of is not just a traffic busy area but a very rural area.
If you live in one, coyotes and cougars can kill your pets.
Have a cat door if that is the case--make sure your pet has an easy in if it gets frightened. I also had an indoor/outdoor cat in unincorporated King County (Seattle/Renton area). She was a healthy 12-13 when we moved to an apartment in the Seattle UDistrict--her health actually went down then as she only wanted to stay indoors (she was unaccustomed to the louds sounds of the city and all the people (in an apartment complex). She lost interest in being active.
You will have to make sure you have shots up to date--including FIP. You will need to watch for worms and even minor injuries or bites that could get infected.
Just no there are risks and weigh that in. Also you should consider how "streetwise" your cat is. A cat who has been sheltered inside since kittenhood is much more likely to get hurt than one who has adapted it's behavior to being outside.
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Sun, June 22, 2008 - 8:22 PMjust know there are risks
I meant to say.
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Mon, June 23, 2008 - 9:15 AM<I think the "average lifespan of an outdoor kitty being less than 3 years" must apply to outdoor only/feral kitties. >
It's an average, so there will be some that live longer and some that live shorter lives.
I grew up with indoor/outdoor cats. They usually only lived about 5 or 6 years. I have friends who had indoor/outdoor cats and they lost cats every other year. Also if your cat gets injured or sick outside, you are less likely to see them and respond to their illness/sickness. I don't live on a busy street, but I have seen more than my share of dead neighbor cats in the road. It's heartbreaking.
Also take into account local wildlife. Cats are NOT native species in North America. They decimate populations of native birds and small mammals, some of which are already threatened. -
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Mon, June 23, 2008 - 7:27 PMVery few people anymore even consider letting a dog run loose. But somehow it's supposed to be okay to let cats run loose? I just don't understand. All it takes is one slip-up, one car, one coyote, one malevolent neighbor. . .and your beautiful pet, the one who trusted you and the one you loved, is gone forever. Consider how HORRIBLE that would be. Please, please keep your kitty indoors or construct a cat-safe enclosure! There are plans and kits for these online. -
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Mon, June 23, 2008 - 8:18 PMYou make a great point Briar.
Also consider your neighbors. I garden a LOT, and nothing irritates me more than finding cat shit in amongst my carrots/onions/garlic/beets that I've spent hours and money cultivating that I now have to throw out, or finding that a cat has dug up all my brand new seedlings.
Help keep your pets from being a nuisance to your neighbors. Fortunately for our neighbors I would never consider hurting their cat, but there are a lot of people that wouldn't think twice. -
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 9:27 AMthanks for all your feedback, really helpful.
We're doing the best we can to keep him inside.
But I have to admit, he looks so sad, which makes me
feel guilty. However, not as guilty if he got hurt or killed.
Thanks tribsters!
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 11:24 AMYes you have the knowledge ;)
You might make sure he has enough to keep him stimulated indoors--toys, perches, attention etc.
You might also think of adopting a playmate--another neutered boy (they might growl at each other first, but neutered boys settle down to being buddies).
If you let him outside, one more thing, get him properly ID chipped (and keep your address current to the chip). -
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 11:26 AMGet the chipping done anyway since he sounds like a feline who might dash outside even if you try and keep him in.
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 2:07 PMYes! Cat's love to climb up things. Those big cat trees are expensive though. I found one on ebay a three years ago. It was a floor to ceiling model for $60 including tax and shipping. I really like and my three cats LOVE it. It's held up really well too. -
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 4:57 PMand they have those "outdoor cages" things where you can attach a ledge to the windowsill (if you have old-style up-down windows) and insert a rabbit cage there, indoor cats adore those and they're safe too
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 5:49 PMI imagine if you were handy with nails and saw, they wouldn't be too hard to make. Carpet scraps could be found easily and cheap enough.
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Wed, June 25, 2008 - 7:29 PMits definitely the responsible thing to do - keeping your cat inside, he'll most likely live longer. all of us would stand a better chance of it if we stayed inside, as well. look at all the people that get killed or injured in car crashes, catch colds, get poison ivy...gotta say, if your neighborhood is quiet, and puss is really antsy to go out, i'd go for it. life is for living, not just for existing... all the above suggestions are great... i'd add, use only the back door if you have one, it'll make the back yard his primary territory. never out at night, of course... and only when youre home..youre a good mum, winterbamboo, to really take your kitty's needs and desires and weigh them carefully against his well being and health ! -
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Thu, June 26, 2008 - 7:43 AMLook at this site--there are lots of pictures of nice safe cat enclosures people have built, and you can get plans:
www.just4cats.com/ -
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Thu, June 26, 2008 - 8:38 PMI suppose I should say that in my whole cat history (which is like 30 years now), my cats have always been allowed out and in, but I've been very careful to always live in a place that will in a quiet neighborhood or will be far from any kind of road or dangerous situation for them. I don't move much, hehehehe. Still, in a quiet neighborhood my neighbor backed into my cat (he lived, but rather dinged), and in a rural neighborhood another cat was hit by a speeding car that then itself crashed (served them right) and he was killed immediately. And where I live now, a third cat was carried off by a large wild animal and the cat was just sitting on our front porch minding his own business.
Strangely, that particular cat, Nelson, suffered from many terrible injuries (which he caused himself, various ways) and illnesses during the whole time I had him; I've never nursed a cat so much and so long for all kinds of things; he was a one-kitty cat hospital really and eventually the vets and I came to believe that he was simply indestructible. He was always pulling off all kinds of amazing fast healings and turnarounds. Yet, in one moment, only a few feet away from me at dusk, he was gone. I found his skull a few months later in the back meadow and I have it on my altar.
Outside of the two who died, all of my other umpteen cats have lived into their teens and died of such things as cancer and kidney failure. And they were all indoor/outdoor. My oldest cat now, she's 16, always seemed healthier than everyone else and basically refused to come in at all except to eat for the first 14 years of her life. Now she's a homebody, though, and stays in the house and on the deck.
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